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Title: About KCP 2018...
Post by: MFSE on July 08, 2018, 02:21:10 AM
I really hope this year's KCP is not like the last year's. The star ratings gave the opportunity to greedy people to lower others' scores, and I guess that's why there were so many fairly dull characters in the top 32 last year. In my opinion, the 2015 system was more efficient (2013 and 2014 as well, but 2015 was more ''democratic''). What do you think?


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Canta-Loop on July 08, 2018, 04:36:27 AM
I really hope this year's KCP is not like the last year's. The star ratings gave the opportunity to greedy people to lower others' scores, and I guess that's why there were so many fairly dull characters in the top 32 last year. In my opinion, the 2015 system was more efficient (2013 and 2014 as well, but 2015 was more ''democratic''). What do you think?
Everyone agrees with this. That was what we were arguing about when KCP 2017 started but I don't think Flipline is going to bring it back because the less the good fcs are the easier to find a winner


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Decidueyefan1 on July 29, 2018, 07:04:35 AM
I'm sorta new here. Quick question, is this where everything about KCP 2018 is going?


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Matt on July 29, 2018, 07:17:05 AM
What was the actual difference between 2015's system and 2017's that made it more efficient?  As far as I remember they're exactly the same, but we stopped letting people see how many "Points" they received in the newer KCPs -- because the total points was ignored anyway, it was always about average score which is what the stars show now.  Unless I'm forgetting something about the 2015 version!  To be more specific, total points were ignored because someone could share their link and get 1000 1-star votes, and if we only went by points that customer would beat another that got 300 3-star votes.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Canta-Loop on July 29, 2018, 10:39:50 AM
What was the actual difference between 2015's system and 2017's that made it more efficient?  As far as I remember they're exactly the same, but we stopped letting people see how many "Points" they received in the newer KCPs -- because the total points was ignored anyway, it was always about average score which is what the stars show now.  Unless I'm forgetting something about the 2015 version!  To be more specific, total points were ignored because someone could share their link and get 1000 1-star votes, and if we only went by points that customer would beat another that got 300 3-star votes.
But still there are possibilities for troll or even 'bad' characters to show up in Top 32. None of these systems can change that. And that's kinda unfair because over of 5 entries on KCP 2017's Top 32 were not good at all


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Sea Anne on July 29, 2018, 10:48:54 AM
Am I the only one that thought the contestants in the '16 and '17 customerpaloozas were better than inthe 2015 one?


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Theo on July 29, 2018, 11:23:52 AM
I don't think there really is a way to prohibit greedy people from voting against good characters. :(


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: DominoDeville on July 29, 2018, 05:59:58 PM
I don't think there really is a way to prohibit greedy people from voting against good characters. :(
Well, maybe Matt and Tony can choose the contestants themselves.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: DeluxePizza on July 29, 2018, 07:28:06 PM
Well, maybe Matt and Tony can choose the contestants themselves.
They did that in KCP13 and 14 and in 14, it didn’t go so well with the forumers, which I mostly agree. There were some I can still see today in the 14 Submission Topic that are better than some that made it into Top 32.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Canta-Loop on July 30, 2018, 06:11:18 AM
They did that in KCP13 and 14 and in 14, it didn’t go so well with the forumers, which I mostly agree. There were some I can still see today in the 14 Submission Topic that are better than some that made it into Top 32.
I can agree with this but if we compare 2017's Top 32 with 2014's one we can see that the fcs made it to Top 32 in older KCPs are better than those from the newer KCPs


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: DeluxePizza on August 08, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Hey, this person in the Wikia by the name, SuperShinx, came up with something that might actually be efficient:

“What about just a simple voting system? It will give you three customers, and you can vote for one of them, two of them, or all of them. The Top 32 can be decided on the customers with the most votes.” — SuperShinx (http://fliplinestudios.wikia.com/wiki/User:SuperShinx)

Source: http://fliplinestudios.wikia.com/wiki/Kingsley%27s_Customerpalooza_2017#comm-153332


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Theo on August 08, 2018, 11:13:41 AM
That's the best idea so far


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Canta-Loop on August 08, 2018, 11:19:16 AM
Hey, this person in the Wikia by the name, SuperShinx, came up with something that might actually be efficient:

“What about just a simple voting system? It will give you three customers, and you can vote for one of them, two of them, or all of them. The Top 32 can be decided on the customers with the most votes.” — SuperShinx (http://fliplinestudios.wikia.com/wiki/User:SuperShinx)

Source: http://fliplinestudios.wikia.com/wiki/Kingsley%27s_Customerpalooza_2017#comm-153332
That's efficient but that still doesn't forbid to troll characters to be in the Top 32. I think Flipline should also make rules for KCP.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Moana on August 08, 2018, 01:07:56 PM
That's efficient but that still doesn't forbid to troll characters to be in the Top 32. I think Flipline should also make rules for KCP.
Flipline always ensures that the characters in the final tournament are not copyrighted characters, or characters with any sort of problematic names. Even if a Mario or Donald Trump got the highest average they wouldn't get in.

I like the idea that SuperShinx gave. It prevents anyone from abusing votes by lowering the averages of other good entries! Flipline could still remove anything problematic like they usually would, but we could also see some more quirky and unique designs that are usually split between liked and disliked, so that's a plus.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: DeluxePizza on August 08, 2018, 01:14:50 PM
Yeah, the more I think about this idea, the more I think it’ll be more efficient than the current one to prevent those that like to lower those that are good for theirs to make it.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Theo on August 08, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
And Flipline probably filters the top entries anyway so the top 32 are all ones they are okay with being customers.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: MFSE on August 08, 2018, 02:44:38 PM
SuperShinx's idea is the ideal solution, though it may allow popular people to gain votes more easily than less well-known ones. At least selfish voters won't be able to lower others' scores.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Daniel Delta on August 08, 2018, 04:58:04 PM
OK


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Canta-Loop on August 09, 2018, 02:39:57 AM
I don't think this will happen because everything is up to Matt and Tony


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Moana on August 09, 2018, 07:11:13 AM
I don't think this will happen because everything is up to Matt and Tony
They could look at the ideas, though.


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Theo on August 09, 2018, 07:21:49 AM
What was the actual difference between 2015's system and 2017's that made it more efficient?  As far as I remember they're exactly the same, but we stopped letting people see how many "Points" they received in the newer KCPs -- because the total points was ignored anyway, it was always about average score which is what the stars show now.  Unless I'm forgetting something about the 2015 version!  To be more specific, total points were ignored because someone could share their link and get 1000 1-star votes, and if we only went by points that customer would beat another that got 300 3-star votes.
Well Matt looked at the topic before


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: MFSE on August 12, 2018, 04:09:03 PM
I'd like to ask this, just in case anyone knows: Is it possible to submit KCP entries twice, from two different browsers, without being considered a scammer? My sister and I are both planning to enter some characters this year, but since we share the same IP address, it may be assumed that we're one person (a cheater). What could we do?


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: Canta-Loop on August 13, 2018, 04:58:50 AM
I'd like to ask this, just in case anyone knows: Is it possible to submit KCP entries twice, from two different browsers, without being considered a scammer? My sister and I are both planning to enter some characters this year, but since we share the same IP address, it may be assumed that we're one person (a cheater). What could we do?
That's actually unfair since by this way you want to double the chances of having an entry in the Top 32. For example if someone has 3 computers in his house, other 3 in his work and uses his family's computers, which are 3 too and each computer has 3 accounts and 3 browsers, does that mean that he can submit 243 entries?


Title: Re: About KCP 2018...
Post by: DeluxePizza on August 13, 2018, 11:38:19 AM
What? They just said it’s only for them two. They just want to have their own three customers submitted.

Look, just have a good moral ethic here and just have one set of three customers for you, and another set of 3 for your sister. Just don’t cheat by adding more than those 6 (3 from you and 3 from your sister). I understand that because of siblings, it would be annoying that you would only be limited to sharing the same device.