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« Reply #3300 on: February 11, 2017, 05:30:53 PM »

People are gonna be very nit-picky
and pick out flaws
in every single bid

and vote no
for that reason tbh
If it can easily be rebuttalled by someone else (e.g. Me) Then it won't count.
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TWG stats:
TWGXI - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXII - Brutal Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXIII - Coroner (Victory)
TWGXIV - Guardian (Victory)

TWGXV - Hunter (Loss)
TWGXVI - Fool (Loss)

TWGXVII - Seer (Loss, Human MVP)
TWGXIX - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXXI - Human (Loss)
TWGXXII - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXIII - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXIV - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXXVI - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXXVII - Human (Victory)
TWGXXVIII - Disguised Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)

TWGXXX - Mason (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXXII - Mason (Victory)

TWGXXXIII - Trapper (Loss)
TWGXXXIV - Human > Cultist (Victory)
TWGXXXV - Cop (Loss)
TWGXXXVI - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXXVIII - Transporter (Victory)
TWGXXXIX - Mercenary (Unfinished)

TWGXL - Riddler (Loss)
TWGXLI - Amnesiac (Loss)
TWGXLII - Vigilante (Loss, Independent MVP)

TWGXLIII - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXLV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXLVI - Maniac (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXLVII - Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXLVIII - Moderator (Loss)
TWGL - Gentleman > Cultist (Loss)
TWGLI - Wrathful Tenant (Victory)
TWGLII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLIV - Bounty Hunter (Loss)
TWGLVI - Pack Leader (Victory)
TWGLVII - Amnesiac > Necromancer (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLVIII - Seer (Loss)

TWGLIX - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLX - Warden (Victory)
TWGLXI - Student (Loss)
TWGLXII - Student > Hunter (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLXIII - Human > Fool (Loss)
TWGLXV - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXVI - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLXVII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLXVIII - Wolf (Victory)

TWGLXIX - Traitor (Victory, HM)
TWGLXX - Amnesiac > Seer (Loss)
TWGLXXI - Tinker (Victory, HM)
TWGLXXII - Seer (Victory, Overall MVP)

TWGLXXIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLXXIV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXV - Mason (Loss)
TWGLXXVI - Wolf (Loss)

TWGLXXVII - Sun God (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXVIII - Soldier (Loss)
TWGLXXIX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXX - Insomniac (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXI - Vigilante (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXII - Human (Loss)
TWGLXXXIII - Psycho (Loss)

TWGLXXXIV - Potion Maker (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXV - Priest (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXVI - Insomniac (Victory)
TWGLXXXVII - Necromancer (Loss)
TWGLXXXVIII - Clairvoyant (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXIX - Succubus (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXC - Wolf Shaman (Victory, Wolf MVP)
TWGXCI - Brutal Wolf (Loss)
TWGXCIII - Eidetic Wolf (Loss)

TWGXCIV - Disguised Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXCV - Hypnotizer (Unfinished)
TWGXCVI - Amnesiac > Kingsley (Loss)
TWGXCVII - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXCVIII - Amnesiac > Wolf Shaman (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGXCIX - Tide Chimer (Victory)
TWGC - Clairvoyant (Loss)
TWGCIII - Necromancer (Victory)
TWGCIV - Knot Expert (Victory)
TWGCVI - Snezhinka (Loss)
TWGCXVIII - Mason (Victory)
TWGCXIX - Coroner (Victory, Overall MVP)

Hosted:
TWGXVIII: Traitor!
TWGXXV: The Inhospitable Hospital
TWGXXXI: Colourblind
TWGXXXVII: Cold Blood
TWGXLIV: Independence Day
TWGXLIX: Deserted
TWGLV: Video Games
TWGLXIV: A Ghost Story
TWGXCII: Werewolves in SPACE!
TWGCVII: Age of Mythology
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« Reply #3301 on: February 11, 2017, 05:33:43 PM »

what if they set up a good argument against ur refutation?
Then it will be valid again, unless I can easily refute their refutation. After all, it would then be a legitimate vote for No.
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TWG stats:
TWGXI - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXII - Brutal Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXIII - Coroner (Victory)
TWGXIV - Guardian (Victory)

TWGXV - Hunter (Loss)
TWGXVI - Fool (Loss)

TWGXVII - Seer (Loss, Human MVP)
TWGXIX - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXXI - Human (Loss)
TWGXXII - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXIII - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXIV - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXXVI - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXXVII - Human (Victory)
TWGXXVIII - Disguised Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)

TWGXXX - Mason (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXXII - Mason (Victory)

TWGXXXIII - Trapper (Loss)
TWGXXXIV - Human > Cultist (Victory)
TWGXXXV - Cop (Loss)
TWGXXXVI - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXXVIII - Transporter (Victory)
TWGXXXIX - Mercenary (Unfinished)

TWGXL - Riddler (Loss)
TWGXLI - Amnesiac (Loss)
TWGXLII - Vigilante (Loss, Independent MVP)

TWGXLIII - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXLV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXLVI - Maniac (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXLVII - Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXLVIII - Moderator (Loss)
TWGL - Gentleman > Cultist (Loss)
TWGLI - Wrathful Tenant (Victory)
TWGLII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLIV - Bounty Hunter (Loss)
TWGLVI - Pack Leader (Victory)
TWGLVII - Amnesiac > Necromancer (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLVIII - Seer (Loss)

TWGLIX - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLX - Warden (Victory)
TWGLXI - Student (Loss)
TWGLXII - Student > Hunter (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLXIII - Human > Fool (Loss)
TWGLXV - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXVI - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLXVII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLXVIII - Wolf (Victory)

TWGLXIX - Traitor (Victory, HM)
TWGLXX - Amnesiac > Seer (Loss)
TWGLXXI - Tinker (Victory, HM)
TWGLXXII - Seer (Victory, Overall MVP)

TWGLXXIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLXXIV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXV - Mason (Loss)
TWGLXXVI - Wolf (Loss)

TWGLXXVII - Sun God (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXVIII - Soldier (Loss)
TWGLXXIX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXX - Insomniac (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXI - Vigilante (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXII - Human (Loss)
TWGLXXXIII - Psycho (Loss)

TWGLXXXIV - Potion Maker (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXV - Priest (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXVI - Insomniac (Victory)
TWGLXXXVII - Necromancer (Loss)
TWGLXXXVIII - Clairvoyant (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXIX - Succubus (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXC - Wolf Shaman (Victory, Wolf MVP)
TWGXCI - Brutal Wolf (Loss)
TWGXCIII - Eidetic Wolf (Loss)

TWGXCIV - Disguised Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXCV - Hypnotizer (Unfinished)
TWGXCVI - Amnesiac > Kingsley (Loss)
TWGXCVII - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXCVIII - Amnesiac > Wolf Shaman (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGXCIX - Tide Chimer (Victory)
TWGC - Clairvoyant (Loss)
TWGCIII - Necromancer (Victory)
TWGCIV - Knot Expert (Victory)
TWGCVI - Snezhinka (Loss)
TWGCXVIII - Mason (Victory)
TWGCXIX - Coroner (Victory, Overall MVP)

Hosted:
TWGXVIII: Traitor!
TWGXXV: The Inhospitable Hospital
TWGXXXI: Colourblind
TWGXXXVII: Cold Blood
TWGXLIV: Independence Day
TWGXLIX: Deserted
TWGLV: Video Games
TWGLXIV: A Ghost Story
TWGXCII: Werewolves in SPACE!
TWGCVII: Age of Mythology
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« Reply #3302 on: February 11, 2017, 05:36:31 PM »

and what if they refure your refutation that you refuted?
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« Reply #3303 on: February 11, 2017, 05:56:08 PM »

It should be like that for every bid, tbh.
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« Reply #3304 on: February 11, 2017, 09:40:34 PM »

Spy-not, you bleeped up. There are so many things wrong with this game's concept that I don't even know where to begin.
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« Reply #3305 on: February 11, 2017, 09:44:33 PM »

hey I like this game I think it's funny and honestly I would play it
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« Reply #3306 on: February 11, 2017, 09:50:11 PM »

Spy-not, you ∗∗∗∗ed up. There are so many things wrong with this game's concept that I don't even know where to begin.
You could begin with explaining these problems so I can actually take something away from your comments.
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TWG stats:
TWGXI - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXII - Brutal Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXIII - Coroner (Victory)
TWGXIV - Guardian (Victory)

TWGXV - Hunter (Loss)
TWGXVI - Fool (Loss)

TWGXVII - Seer (Loss, Human MVP)
TWGXIX - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXXI - Human (Loss)
TWGXXII - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXIII - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXIV - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXXVI - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXXVII - Human (Victory)
TWGXXVIII - Disguised Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)

TWGXXX - Mason (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXXII - Mason (Victory)

TWGXXXIII - Trapper (Loss)
TWGXXXIV - Human > Cultist (Victory)
TWGXXXV - Cop (Loss)
TWGXXXVI - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXXVIII - Transporter (Victory)
TWGXXXIX - Mercenary (Unfinished)

TWGXL - Riddler (Loss)
TWGXLI - Amnesiac (Loss)
TWGXLII - Vigilante (Loss, Independent MVP)

TWGXLIII - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXLV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXLVI - Maniac (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXLVII - Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXLVIII - Moderator (Loss)
TWGL - Gentleman > Cultist (Loss)
TWGLI - Wrathful Tenant (Victory)
TWGLII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLIV - Bounty Hunter (Loss)
TWGLVI - Pack Leader (Victory)
TWGLVII - Amnesiac > Necromancer (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLVIII - Seer (Loss)

TWGLIX - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLX - Warden (Victory)
TWGLXI - Student (Loss)
TWGLXII - Student > Hunter (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLXIII - Human > Fool (Loss)
TWGLXV - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXVI - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLXVII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLXVIII - Wolf (Victory)

TWGLXIX - Traitor (Victory, HM)
TWGLXX - Amnesiac > Seer (Loss)
TWGLXXI - Tinker (Victory, HM)
TWGLXXII - Seer (Victory, Overall MVP)

TWGLXXIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLXXIV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXV - Mason (Loss)
TWGLXXVI - Wolf (Loss)

TWGLXXVII - Sun God (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXVIII - Soldier (Loss)
TWGLXXIX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXX - Insomniac (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXI - Vigilante (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXII - Human (Loss)
TWGLXXXIII - Psycho (Loss)

TWGLXXXIV - Potion Maker (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXV - Priest (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXVI - Insomniac (Victory)
TWGLXXXVII - Necromancer (Loss)
TWGLXXXVIII - Clairvoyant (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXIX - Succubus (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXC - Wolf Shaman (Victory, Wolf MVP)
TWGXCI - Brutal Wolf (Loss)
TWGXCIII - Eidetic Wolf (Loss)

TWGXCIV - Disguised Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXCV - Hypnotizer (Unfinished)
TWGXCVI - Amnesiac > Kingsley (Loss)
TWGXCVII - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXCVIII - Amnesiac > Wolf Shaman (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGXCIX - Tide Chimer (Victory)
TWGC - Clairvoyant (Loss)
TWGCIII - Necromancer (Victory)
TWGCIV - Knot Expert (Victory)
TWGCVI - Snezhinka (Loss)
TWGCXVIII - Mason (Victory)
TWGCXIX - Coroner (Victory, Overall MVP)

Hosted:
TWGXVIII: Traitor!
TWGXXV: The Inhospitable Hospital
TWGXXXI: Colourblind
TWGXXXVII: Cold Blood
TWGXLIV: Independence Day
TWGXLIX: Deserted
TWGLV: Video Games
TWGLXIV: A Ghost Story
TWGXCII: Werewolves in SPACE!
TWGCVII: Age of Mythology
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« Reply #3307 on: February 11, 2017, 10:36:35 PM »

1. That's normal.
2. The same goes for TWG in general.
3. There are only so many bad arguments you can make before you start repeating them, at which point they don't count as legitimate reasons.
4. I won't attempt to refute all of them, just the ones which ultimately don't hold up.
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TWGXI - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXII - Brutal Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXIII - Coroner (Victory)
TWGXIV - Guardian (Victory)

TWGXV - Hunter (Loss)
TWGXVI - Fool (Loss)

TWGXVII - Seer (Loss, Human MVP)
TWGXIX - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXXI - Human (Loss)
TWGXXII - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXIII - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXIV - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXXVI - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXXVII - Human (Victory)
TWGXXVIII - Disguised Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)

TWGXXX - Mason (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXXII - Mason (Victory)

TWGXXXIII - Trapper (Loss)
TWGXXXIV - Human > Cultist (Victory)
TWGXXXV - Cop (Loss)
TWGXXXVI - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXXVIII - Transporter (Victory)
TWGXXXIX - Mercenary (Unfinished)

TWGXL - Riddler (Loss)
TWGXLI - Amnesiac (Loss)
TWGXLII - Vigilante (Loss, Independent MVP)

TWGXLIII - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXLV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXLVI - Maniac (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXLVII - Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXLVIII - Moderator (Loss)
TWGL - Gentleman > Cultist (Loss)
TWGLI - Wrathful Tenant (Victory)
TWGLII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLIV - Bounty Hunter (Loss)
TWGLVI - Pack Leader (Victory)
TWGLVII - Amnesiac > Necromancer (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLVIII - Seer (Loss)

TWGLIX - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLX - Warden (Victory)
TWGLXI - Student (Loss)
TWGLXII - Student > Hunter (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLXIII - Human > Fool (Loss)
TWGLXV - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXVI - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLXVII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLXVIII - Wolf (Victory)

TWGLXIX - Traitor (Victory, HM)
TWGLXX - Amnesiac > Seer (Loss)
TWGLXXI - Tinker (Victory, HM)
TWGLXXII - Seer (Victory, Overall MVP)

TWGLXXIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLXXIV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXV - Mason (Loss)
TWGLXXVI - Wolf (Loss)

TWGLXXVII - Sun God (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXVIII - Soldier (Loss)
TWGLXXIX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXX - Insomniac (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXI - Vigilante (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXII - Human (Loss)
TWGLXXXIII - Psycho (Loss)

TWGLXXXIV - Potion Maker (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXV - Priest (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXVI - Insomniac (Victory)
TWGLXXXVII - Necromancer (Loss)
TWGLXXXVIII - Clairvoyant (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXIX - Succubus (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXC - Wolf Shaman (Victory, Wolf MVP)
TWGXCI - Brutal Wolf (Loss)
TWGXCIII - Eidetic Wolf (Loss)

TWGXCIV - Disguised Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXCV - Hypnotizer (Unfinished)
TWGXCVI - Amnesiac > Kingsley (Loss)
TWGXCVII - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXCVIII - Amnesiac > Wolf Shaman (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGXCIX - Tide Chimer (Victory)
TWGC - Clairvoyant (Loss)
TWGCIII - Necromancer (Victory)
TWGCIV - Knot Expert (Victory)
TWGCVI - Snezhinka (Loss)
TWGCXVIII - Mason (Victory)
TWGCXIX - Coroner (Victory, Overall MVP)

Hosted:
TWGXVIII: Traitor!
TWGXXV: The Inhospitable Hospital
TWGXXXI: Colourblind
TWGXXXVII: Cold Blood
TWGXLIV: Independence Day
TWGXLIX: Deserted
TWGLV: Video Games
TWGLXIV: A Ghost Story
TWGXCII: Werewolves in SPACE!
TWGCVII: Age of Mythology
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« Reply #3308 on: February 11, 2017, 10:41:59 PM »

1) What's wrong with that? People used to do that all the time.
2) So can wolf and pretty much every other role. If you're used to playing town, wolf can be a changed that's difficult to get used to. It was for me.
3) So make good games, then. We'll just stop letting through role lists that need slight adjustments. Once a rolelist is approved by the voters, it's immediately ready to play. I like that idea better anyways.
4) What if the Clairvoyant/Pirate/Any other singular role based games had the main role been given to someone who was horrible at TWG? It happens all the time. They'll just loose.
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« Reply #3309 on: February 11, 2017, 11:41:45 PM »

I have to say KKE has a point here. The game of TWG is supposed to be dependent on the town's strategy to find the wolves before they're all dead, as opposed to a single player's ability to create new rolelists which is the case in this bid. And even then, if this bid does get accepted then all the bids from the start of the game until the end will basically be judged by what Spy-not believes is a good reason to vote yes or no which is totally unrepresentative of the TWG community. Also, it doesn't really take that long to make a bid that's at least interesting. I literally created The Four Presents (yes, that was my bid if it wasn't obvious enough) in 10 minutes, and the only thing anyone really complained about was the penalty for killing the main role. Since I don't imagine many of the accepted bids would have taken much longer, I conclude that it's pretty obvious which bid will be the Host's.
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« Reply #3310 on: February 12, 2017, 09:26:28 AM »

My bid took like an hour, and there was no real gimmick
Just switching out certain roles to see which ones would fit together the best.
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« Reply #3311 on: February 12, 2017, 09:31:33 AM »

I have to say KKE has a point here. The game of TWG is supposed to be dependent on the town's strategy to find the wolves before they're all dead, as opposed to a single player's ability to create new rolelists which is the case in this bid. And even then, if this bid does get accepted then all the bids from the start of the game until the end will basically be judged by what Spy-not believes is a good reason to vote yes or no which is totally unrepresentative of the TWG community. Also, it doesn't really take that long to make a bid that's at least interesting. I literally created The Four Presents (yes, that was my bid if it wasn't obvious enough) in 10 minutes, and the only thing anyone really complained about was the penalty for killing the main role. Since I don't imagine many of the accepted bids would have taken much longer, I conclude that it's pretty obvious which bid will be the Host's.
Not necessarily. It will be the host's decision as to how complicated (but more likely to fail) or how simple to make it (less likely to fail, but more likely to draw attention). The Host will changed the game up a bit, and it will at least be interesting to see it out. The town will have to start strategizing into the Bidding Topic, filling it with good games so it will be difficult for the Host to get into the queue.
The only thing I would change about the Host is their ability to win if they died before their bid made it to the poll.
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« Reply #3312 on: February 12, 2017, 02:25:51 PM »

TWG Bid did not receive enough votes to become a TWG.
Wow these titles have been really generic lately
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« Reply #3313 on: February 12, 2017, 02:27:54 PM »

I believe the Classic would bring us to the past, Yes.
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« Reply #3314 on: February 12, 2017, 02:28:54 PM »

After 3 hectic, out of the ordinary games, I'd welcome a game like this
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