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[The color of mood is blue]

Brother E: Okay, you all said your thoughts clearly, so let me say mine. This is not really intend to non-believers, but mostly believers in God.

 Yes, of course we love them. But as Christians who know right from wrong, that doesn't mean we just accept the wrong actions. You don't agree and accept what thieves or drug addicts do, instead we want to help them get out of those actions.

This to non believers doesn't make all that much sense. But to Christians who knows God's Word should know that it is wrong and shouldn't agree with it. That's everyone's get away card now, saying we must love them and agree with their actions. Yes, of course we should love them, and even Jesus Himself hung out with sinners and loved them. But he didn't agree with their actions. People were changed after they hung out with them, and He said, "Go and sin no more." Those same verses you just refered to, TCOMIB, were spoken by Jesus, who also agreed with the Old Testament laws, like no stealing,  murder, no gay marriages, etc. Jesus said he didn't come to remove the law, but inforce it. Of course, we don't kill people now days who break those law, because Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for sin on the cross, but  we do still follow those laws. Jesus also spoke out against wrong things, but was He judging? No.

Should I judge people? No. Am I perfect?  Of course not. But, Christians can't stay quiet anymore and let everyone be brain washed. My concern is actually more in the media promoting gay actions as right than the actual people themselves. Because if we don't stand up and say, "No, you will not be playing this for my kids." Or, "No, I won't allow this wrong law to be passed," Unless we don't stop it, people will be brain washed by the media so much that they won't care if we want to share Christ's love with them or not. They will think doing wrong is okay, and won't listen to what we have to say.

Another thing, marriage is sacred be a man and a woman. Why? Because they produce life, and the child grows up healthy with a mother and a father. It has been proven that children do best with a father and a mother in their life.

Okay, those are my long paragraphs. I will be surprised if you red all of it. I might get backlash, but hey, this is my thoughts on everything, in agreeing with the Bible, as you guys shared yours.

I never said you have to agree, I said you have to ACCEPT. I mean, even I disagree with the sexual part of homosexuality to put it bluntly. But do I go around and tell people that? Do I make sure that everyone knows my views? No of course not! Because my goal shouldn’t be to change people. A grand majority of my friends are gay and I’ll support them no matter what, because they are my friends and they deserve love. The Bible makes a BIG distinction between judging the sin of believers and non believers though 1
Corinthians 5:9-13 says:
“ 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church[b ]whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

If you or a friend who is a believer in God struggles with sexual sin,whether having sexual relations with the same gender, adultery or others, talk to them privately and help bring them back to God. But God says don’t deal with the sin of non-believers because they will be judged him HIM ONLY.

Currently, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that the media is becoming more accepting. Gay people are deserving of acceptance and love. However, remember that the world has ALWAYS preferred sexual/sinful/etc behavior. We may fight against it, but the worldly battle against sin cannot be won by humans. Just remember Jebz, nothing has truly changed, you can say the media is brainwashing you or whatever but this is how the world has always been. There are hundreds of verses saying to be set apart from the world. You don’t need to follow in the ways of the world.

1 John 2:15-18 ESV

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

God Himself even says that the world was sinful, even then! Just recognize this. Only God may purify the world. It is not up to us to judge the world. If being gay is something that you see as sinful, you may refrain from things that promote it such as movies or books. Even if someone you know is acting sinful and it is causing you harm, you can tell them that their sin is influencing you negatively. But always remember, do not judge people. For no matter their sin, your sins are equally as bad. All sins are just sins in God’s eyes. We must ask for forgiveness for them. If a believer you know is struggling with sexual sin, guide them back to God. Don’t say judgements before you encourage them back. If a non believer is struggling with sexual sin, you can KINDLY try to bring them to God if they are willing. If not, leave them alone and let God decide. I’m not saying you have to accept the world either. For it is best to stay away from what you believe is sinful. But again, recognize that everyone is sinful and it is not our job to tell people that.

What I mean to say by all this is this: (Aka, here’s the tldr) constantly speaking out about how you disagree with homosexuality is not showing Christ’s love or actions. Sometimes your opinion on that shouldn’t be shared unless necessary. If you are afraid a believing friend is struggling with sexual sin it’s okay to guide them back to God. Otherwise, it’s best to leave it alone. I put loving others and trying to SHOW God’s love before my opinions. And this isn’t condemning you either! I am not angry or think you are wrong for your beliefs. You are okay for having an opinion. It upsets people when people on the forum often talk about how they disagree with homosexuality or abortion or other things, because to them it feels like judgement. I would recommend instead showing love and acceptance for others and trying to guide them to God before stating your opinions on their lifestyle.

Here’s some verses:
Matthew 5:43-48
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.“

Proverbs 10:12
“ 12 Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.”

You cannot lead everyone to God, and you can not prevent every sin. It’s useless to think you can. But you can lead some people, and that’s the importance of showing love before all else. Because words of kindness and encouragement can bring someone to God and they will turn from sin themselves. Always ask God for forgiveness, and pray that He May guide you as well. I hope that you read this dear Jebz, this is only meant as guidement and not judgement.

[JEBZ Komics]

I never said you have to agree, I said you have to ACCEPT. I mean, even I disagree with the sexual part of homosexuality to put it bluntly. But do I go around and tell people that? Do I make sure that everyone knows my views? No of course not! Because my goal shouldn’t be to change people. A grand majority of my friends are gay and I’ll support them no matter what, because they are my friends and they deserve love. The Bible makes a BIG distinction between judging the sin of believers and non believers though 1
Corinthians 5:9-13 says:
“ 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

If you or a friend who is a believer in God struggles with sexual sin,whether having sexual relations with the same gender, adultery or others, talk to them privately and help bring them back to God. But God says don’t deal with the sin of non-believers because they will be judged him HIM ONLY.

Currently, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that the media is becoming more accepting. Gay people are deserving of acceptance and love. However, remember that the world has ALWAYS preferred sexual/sinful/etc behavior. We may fight against it, but the worldly battle against sin cannot be won by humans. Just remember Jebz, nothing has truly changed, you can say the media is brainwashing you or whatever but this is how the world has always been. There are hundreds of verses saying to be set apart from the world. You don’t need to follow in the ways of the world.

1 John 2:15-18 ESV

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

God Himself even says that the world was sinful, even then! Just recognize this. Only God may purify the world. It is not up to us to judge the world. If being gay is something that you see as sinful, you may refrain from things that promote it such as movies or books. Even if someone you know is acting sinful and it is causing you harm, you can tell them that their sin is influencing you negatively. But always remember, do not judge people. For no matter their sin, your sins are equally as bad. All sins are just sins in God’s eyes. We must ask for forgiveness for them. If a believer you know is struggling with sexual sin, guide them back to God. Don’t say judgements before you encourage them back. If a non believer is struggling with sexual sin, you can KINDLY try to bring them to God if they are willing. If not, leave them alone and let God decide. I’m not saying you have to accept the world either. For it is best to stay away from what you believe is sinful. But again, recognize that everyone is sinful and it is not our job to tell people that.

What I mean to say by all this is this: (Aka, here’s the tldr) constantly speaking out about how you disagree with homosexuality is not showing Christ’s love or actions. Sometimes your opinion on that shouldn’t be shared unless necessary. If you are afraid a believing friend is struggling with sexual sin it’s okay to guide them back to God. Otherwise, it’s best to leave it alone. I put loving others and trying to SHOW God’s love before my opinions. And this isn’t condemning you either! I am not angry or think you are wrong for your beliefs. You are okay for having an opinion. It upsets people when people on the forum often talk about how they disagree with homosexuality or abortion or other things, because to them it feels like judgement. I would recommend instead showing love and acceptance for others and trying to guide them to God before stating your opinions on their lifestyle.

Here’s some verses:
Matthew 5:43-48
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.“

Proverbs 10:12
“ 12 Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.”

You cannot lead everyone to God, and you can not prevent every sin. It’s useless to think you can. But you can lead some people, and that’s the importance of showing love before all else. Because words of kindness and encouragement can bring someone to God and they will turn from sin themselves. Always ask God for forgiveness, and pray that He May guide you as well. I hope that you read this dear Jebz, this is only meant as guidement and not judgement.

Brother E: True, but that's the thing. Society and the media is shoving it down kids throats by putting that stuff in kids programming. That's when we need to stand up against that. We need to speak up and say it's wrong. Christians shouldn't be just sitting back and keeping quiet. Because if we keep quiet, no one will speak out against it. We are not judging if we stand up against something that we believe is wrong. I can say I disagree with something without it being judgmental, and I am free to say that. If there's someone who take it judgemental, that's them. But there's some who might not take it judgemental and it will help them in the right path. We need to let people interpret it themselves.

Also, you don't need to accept their ways, you need to help them out of their ways. Like you said, loving and kindly.

[The color of mood is blue]

Brother E: True, but that's the thing. Society and the media is shoving it down kids throats by putting that stuff in kids programming. That's when we need to stand up against that. We need to speak up and say it's wrong. Christians shouldn't be just sitting back and keeping quiet. Because if we keep quiet, no one will speak out against it. We are not judging if we stand up against something that we believe is wrong. I can say I disagree with something without it being judgmental, and I am free to say that. If there's someone who take it judgemental, that's them. But there's some who might not take it judgemental and it will help them in the right path. We need to let people interpret it themselves.

Also, you don't need to accept their ways, you need to help them out of their ways. Like you said, loving and kindly.

I really haven’t seen any kids programming that has people kissing the same sex or doing worse. That’s just not appropriate. But it shouldn’t be an issue if it’s just “oh this kid is gay” “oh look a lesbian couple” I agree, please do stand up against anything sexual in children’s programming or even just normal programming. But don’t fight against a gay couple or even a marriage. Honestly, it isn’t worth it. Just if a kid or someone you know feels upset or confused by it, you can teach them. But fighting against it isn’t really a good way to do it. Again, actions have to be kind as well. We shouldn’t necessarily keep quiet, but also we shouldn’t cause a scene. Be mindful of HOW you put your words as well. If someone sees it as judge mental, perhaps you worded it harshly. Make your posts informative, and have guidance. And again, not just spouting an opinion and hope people learn. People learn through seeing how others behave as well.

[Bassettt]

Brother E: True, but that's the thing. Society and the media is shoving it down kids throats by putting that stuff in kids programming. That's when we need to stand up against that. We need to speak up and say it's wrong. Christians shouldn't be just sitting back and keeping quiet. Because if we keep quiet, no one will speak out against it. We are not judging if we stand up against something that we believe is wrong. I can say I disagree with something without it being judgmental, and I am free to say that. If there's someone who take it judgemental, that's them. But there's some who might not take it judgemental and it will help them in the right path. We need to let people interpret it themselves.

Also, you don't need to accept their ways, you need to help them out of their ways. Like you said, loving and kindly.

So you want to change us?

Also media is trying to show people it’s not wrong to be gay, not trying to make people gay

[Bandero]

Brother E: True, but that's the thing. Society and the media is shoving it down kids throats by putting that stuff in kids programming. That's when we need to stand up against that. We need to speak up and say it's wrong. Christians shouldn't be just sitting back and keeping quiet. Because if we keep quiet, no one will speak out against it. We are not judging if we stand up against something that we believe is wrong. I can say I disagree with something without it being judgmental, and I am free to say that. If there's someone who take it judgemental, that's them. But there's some who might not take it judgemental and it will help them in the right path. We need to let people interpret it themselves.

Also, you don't need to accept their ways, you need to help them out of their ways. Like you said, loving and kindly.

No they are not. That's not true. I'm a Christian and we don't need to be speaking up or standing against it. We don't have any control over other people's lives. Being gay isn't a choice and arguing about that doesn't help anyone. I'm not trying to be harsh but dude you have to stop arguing about this.

[The color of mood is blue]

So you want to change us?

Also media is trying to show people it’s not wrong to be gay, not trying to make people gay

Agreed with your last point

Now what I have been arguing about to Jebz, the “ways of the gays” that is inherently sinful is things that are sinful. Adultery is sinful, premarital sex is sinful, get it? It’s just non-marital and procreation always sexual things in general that aren’t approved of. Getting someone to “change their ways” can mean “Hey don’t go hook up with that man”, not “I prefer if you don’t let my children see you and your husband together”

Many verses talk about sexual sin, but none talk about having a relationship, kissing, cuddling, etc. sexual actions are not often promoted in media (except adult media where it’d everywhere and generally sinful, so you don’t have to worry about your kids seeing that!), nor are they necessarily good (so that’s why it’s sinful in the first place, unwanted pregnancies, STD’s, and just hard feeling because of this are harmful to you and others!).

Don’t change people that are gay. Unless they told you they’re having sexual relations, it’s really best not to say anything

[JEBZ Komics]

I really haven’t seen any kids programming that has people kissing the same sex or doing worse. That’s just not appropriate. But it shouldn’t be an issue if it’s just “oh this kid is gay” “oh look a lesbian couple” I agree, please do stand up against anything sexual in children’s programming or even just normal programming. But don’t fight against a gay couple or even a marriage. Honestly, it isn’t worth it. Just if a kid or someone you know feels upset or confused by it, you can teach them. But fighting against it isn’t really a good way to do it. Again, actions have to be kind as well. We shouldn’t necessarily keep quiet, but also we shouldn’t cause a scene. Be mindful of HOW you put your words as well. If someone sees it as judge mental, perhaps you worded it harshly. Make your posts informative, and have guidance. And again, not just spouting an opinion and hope people learn. People learn through seeing how others behave as well.

Brother E: I believe Arthur did that.
Also, in my eyes and many others, my posts aren't offensive or judgemental at all. And Christians haven't been causing a scene, they've been very quiet.

So you want to change us?

Also media is trying to show people it’s not wrong to be gay, not trying to make people gay

Brother E: Liberals have been trying to change us Conservatives all over the place. We can't even share opinions without getting them shot down.

I don't want to change YOU. You can be not gay and still be yourself.

And, as with most of these, I am not the one starting the arguments, and I am not arguing. I answer questions or say my opinions, but people don't like my answers and cause an uproar. I may not like the gay fan art, but I don't verbally attack it. I get attacked more than I "attack" gays.

[Bassettt]

Agreed with your last point

Now what I have been arguing about to Jebz, the “ways of the gays” that is inherently sinful is things that are sinful. Adultery is sinful, premarital sex is sinful, get it? It’s just non-marital and procreation always sexual things in general that aren’t approved of. Getting someone to “change their ways” can mean “Hey don’t go hook up with that man”, not “I prefer if you don’t let my children see you and your husband together”

Many verses talk about sexual sin, but none talk about having a relationship, kissing, cuddling, etc. sexual actions are not often promoted in media (except adult media where it’d everywhere and generally sinful, so you don’t have to worry about your kids seeing that!), nor are they necessarily good (so that’s why it’s sinful in the first place, unwanted pregnancies, STD’s, and just hard feeling because of this are harmful to you and others!).

Don’t change people that are gay. Unless they told you they’re having sexual relations, it’s really best not to say anything

What about sexual acts between a gay married couple, there should be no issue with that

I’m waiting until marriage because I am Christian

[JEBZ Komics]

What about sexual acts between a gay married couple, there should be no issue with that

I’m waiting until marriage because I am Christian

Brother E: The Bible says not to do that.

It's not true sex though. God specifically made that for man and woman. He would have just made one gender if the same gender could have sex.

Sex is only for marriage. Not something to make people feel good. Even straight sex shouldn't be done before marriage.

[Bassettt]

Brother E: The Bible says not to do that.

It's not true sex though. God specifically made that for man and woman. He would have just made one gender if the same gender could have sex.

Sex is only for marriage. Not something to make people feel good.

I said for marriage

[The color of mood is blue]

I am not attacking you Jebz, I am trying to guide you. This mindset is one that I have seen in Christians who have harmed me and harmed others, so I am trying to be careful.

Brother E: I believe Arthur did that.
Also, in my eyes and many others, my posts aren't offensive or judgemental at all. And Christians haven't been causing a scene, they've been very quiet.
Brother E: Liberals have been trying to change us Conservatives all over the place. We can't even share opinions without getting them shot down.

I don't want to change YOU. You can be not gay and still be yourself.

And, as with most of these, I am not the one starting the arguments, and I am not arguing. I answer questions or say my opinions, but people don't like my answers and cause an uproar. I may not like the gay fan art, but I don't verbally attack it. I get attacked more than I "attack" gays.

You may ask others if your posts are judgemental. I have to say it isn’t something you can determine on your own. I can see that you don’t want to listen to me or others though so I will drop the conversation and trust that you will as well. Ask God for guidance and He will help. Let us not bring this up anymore and I will be disappointed if this argument comes up again.

Also, please don’t bring politics into this, this is about religion, not politics.
Be mindful of what you say, and realize if it upsets people or causes an argument it is best not to say it.
I hope that you have a good night and may God guide you and bless you

[winter]

so you're only ever going to have sex when procreating

[The color of mood is blue]

What about sexual acts between a gay married couple, there should be no issue with that

I’m waiting until marriage because I am Christian

Personally I don’t have an opinion on that, as that’s for the couple the self to decide. I shouldn’t decide for them and neither should anyone else. I’m glad you are waiting until marriage though! May you find the perfect person for you

[JEBZ Komics]

I am not attacking you Jebz, I am trying to guide you. This mindset is one that I have seen in Christians who have harmed me and harmed others, so I am trying to be careful.
You may ask others if your posts are judgemental. I have to say it isn’t something you can determine on your own. I can see that you don’t want to listen to me or others though so I will drop the conversation and trust that you will as well. Ask God for guidance and He will help. Let us not bring this up anymore and I will be disappointed if this argument comes up again.

Also, please don’t bring politics into this, this is about religion, not politics.
Be mindful of what you say, and realize if it upsets people or causes an argument it is best not to say it.
I hope that you have a good night and may God guide you and bless you

Brother E: I am not out to harm anyone. I only want them to enjoy life the way God intended it to be. And I can say something is wrong if it is my opinion. Opinions have a right to be spoken. And mine are in no way offensive.

Sorry, but I brought politics into because a lot of it has to do with politics.

Goodnight, TCOMIB. May God continue to bless, teach, and guide you.

I said for marriage

Brother E: Well, yes. The Bible said that's wrong too.

so you're only ever going to have sex when procreating

Brother E: Only with my wife I will. That's it.

[The color of mood is blue]

Brother E: I am not out to harm anyone. I only want them to enjoy life the way God intended it to be. And I can say something is wrong if it is my opinion. Opinions have a right to be spoken.

Sorry, but I brought politics into because a lot of it has to do with politics.

Goodnight, TCOMIB. May God continue to bless, teach, and guide you. Brother E: Well, yes. The Bible said that's wrong too.

Please, refrain from bringing up politics when they were not mentioned. It causes fights.
You are entitled to your opinion, but again be very mindful of how you word things, when you say it and why.  Let us drop the subject now. No more arguing about what’s right or wrong. Especially as bassettt is a Christian and no matter what, he trusts and loves God. That’s the most important thing and I’m very happy for him.