LGBT2Q+ (NEW POLL!)

[Bassettt]

Brother E: True, but that's the thing. Society and the media is shoving it down kids throats by putting that stuff in kids programming. That's when we need to stand up against that. We need to speak up and say it's wrong. Christians shouldn't be just sitting back and keeping quiet. Because if we keep quiet, no one will speak out against it. We are not judging if we stand up against something that we believe is wrong. I can say I disagree with something without it being judgmental, and I am free to say that. If there's someone who take it judgemental, that's them. But there's some who might not take it judgemental and it will help them in the right path. We need to let people interpret it themselves.

Also, you don't need to accept their ways, you need to help them out of their ways. Like you said, loving and kindly.

So you want to change us?

Also media is trying to show people it’s not wrong to be gay, not trying to make people gay

[Bandero]

Brother E: True, but that's the thing. Society and the media is shoving it down kids throats by putting that stuff in kids programming. That's when we need to stand up against that. We need to speak up and say it's wrong. Christians shouldn't be just sitting back and keeping quiet. Because if we keep quiet, no one will speak out against it. We are not judging if we stand up against something that we believe is wrong. I can say I disagree with something without it being judgmental, and I am free to say that. If there's someone who take it judgemental, that's them. But there's some who might not take it judgemental and it will help them in the right path. We need to let people interpret it themselves.

Also, you don't need to accept their ways, you need to help them out of their ways. Like you said, loving and kindly.

No they are not. That's not true. I'm a Christian and we don't need to be speaking up or standing against it. We don't have any control over other people's lives. Being gay isn't a choice and arguing about that doesn't help anyone. I'm not trying to be harsh but dude you have to stop arguing about this.

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So you want to change us?

Also media is trying to show people it’s not wrong to be gay, not trying to make people gay

Agreed with your last point

Now what I have been arguing about to Jebz, the “ways of the gays” that is inherently sinful is things that are sinful. Adultery is sinful, premarital sex is sinful, get it? It’s just non-marital and procreation always sexual things in general that aren’t approved of. Getting someone to “change their ways” can mean “Hey don’t go hook up with that man”, not “I prefer if you don’t let my children see you and your husband together”

Many verses talk about sexual sin, but none talk about having a relationship, kissing, cuddling, etc. sexual actions are not often promoted in media (except adult media where it’d everywhere and generally sinful, so you don’t have to worry about your kids seeing that!), nor are they necessarily good (so that’s why it’s sinful in the first place, unwanted pregnancies, STD’s, and just hard feeling because of this are harmful to you and others!).

Don’t change people that are gay. Unless they told you they’re having sexual relations, it’s really best not to say anything

[JEBZ Komics]

I really haven’t seen any kids programming that has people kissing the same sex or doing worse. That’s just not appropriate. But it shouldn’t be an issue if it’s just “oh this kid is gay” “oh look a lesbian couple” I agree, please do stand up against anything sexual in children’s programming or even just normal programming. But don’t fight against a gay couple or even a marriage. Honestly, it isn’t worth it. Just if a kid or someone you know feels upset or confused by it, you can teach them. But fighting against it isn’t really a good way to do it. Again, actions have to be kind as well. We shouldn’t necessarily keep quiet, but also we shouldn’t cause a scene. Be mindful of HOW you put your words as well. If someone sees it as judge mental, perhaps you worded it harshly. Make your posts informative, and have guidance. And again, not just spouting an opinion and hope people learn. People learn through seeing how others behave as well.

Brother E: I believe Arthur did that.
Also, in my eyes and many others, my posts aren't offensive or judgemental at all. And Christians haven't been causing a scene, they've been very quiet.

So you want to change us?

Also media is trying to show people it’s not wrong to be gay, not trying to make people gay

Brother E: Liberals have been trying to change us Conservatives all over the place. We can't even share opinions without getting them shot down.

I don't want to change YOU. You can be not gay and still be yourself.

And, as with most of these, I am not the one starting the arguments, and I am not arguing. I answer questions or say my opinions, but people don't like my answers and cause an uproar. I may not like the gay fan art, but I don't verbally attack it. I get attacked more than I "attack" gays.

[Bassettt]

Agreed with your last point

Now what I have been arguing about to Jebz, the “ways of the gays” that is inherently sinful is things that are sinful. Adultery is sinful, premarital sex is sinful, get it? It’s just non-marital and procreation always sexual things in general that aren’t approved of. Getting someone to “change their ways” can mean “Hey don’t go hook up with that man”, not “I prefer if you don’t let my children see you and your husband together”

Many verses talk about sexual sin, but none talk about having a relationship, kissing, cuddling, etc. sexual actions are not often promoted in media (except adult media where it’d everywhere and generally sinful, so you don’t have to worry about your kids seeing that!), nor are they necessarily good (so that’s why it’s sinful in the first place, unwanted pregnancies, STD’s, and just hard feeling because of this are harmful to you and others!).

Don’t change people that are gay. Unless they told you they’re having sexual relations, it’s really best not to say anything

What about sexual acts between a gay married couple, there should be no issue with that

I’m waiting until marriage because I am Christian

[JEBZ Komics]

What about sexual acts between a gay married couple, there should be no issue with that

I’m waiting until marriage because I am Christian

Brother E: The Bible says not to do that.

It's not true sex though. God specifically made that for man and woman. He would have just made one gender if the same gender could have sex.

Sex is only for marriage. Not something to make people feel good. Even straight sex shouldn't be done before marriage.

[Bassettt]

Brother E: The Bible says not to do that.

It's not true sex though. God specifically made that for man and woman. He would have just made one gender if the same gender could have sex.

Sex is only for marriage. Not something to make people feel good.

I said for marriage

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I am not attacking you Jebz, I am trying to guide you. This mindset is one that I have seen in Christians who have harmed me and harmed others, so I am trying to be careful.

Brother E: I believe Arthur did that.
Also, in my eyes and many others, my posts aren't offensive or judgemental at all. And Christians haven't been causing a scene, they've been very quiet.
Brother E: Liberals have been trying to change us Conservatives all over the place. We can't even share opinions without getting them shot down.

I don't want to change YOU. You can be not gay and still be yourself.

And, as with most of these, I am not the one starting the arguments, and I am not arguing. I answer questions or say my opinions, but people don't like my answers and cause an uproar. I may not like the gay fan art, but I don't verbally attack it. I get attacked more than I "attack" gays.

You may ask others if your posts are judgemental. I have to say it isn’t something you can determine on your own. I can see that you don’t want to listen to me or others though so I will drop the conversation and trust that you will as well. Ask God for guidance and He will help. Let us not bring this up anymore and I will be disappointed if this argument comes up again.

Also, please don’t bring politics into this, this is about religion, not politics.
Be mindful of what you say, and realize if it upsets people or causes an argument it is best not to say it.
I hope that you have a good night and may God guide you and bless you

[yeri]

so you're only ever going to have sex when procreating

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What about sexual acts between a gay married couple, there should be no issue with that

I’m waiting until marriage because I am Christian

Personally I don’t have an opinion on that, as that’s for the couple the self to decide. I shouldn’t decide for them and neither should anyone else. I’m glad you are waiting until marriage though! May you find the perfect person for you

[JEBZ Komics]

I am not attacking you Jebz, I am trying to guide you. This mindset is one that I have seen in Christians who have harmed me and harmed others, so I am trying to be careful.
You may ask others if your posts are judgemental. I have to say it isn’t something you can determine on your own. I can see that you don’t want to listen to me or others though so I will drop the conversation and trust that you will as well. Ask God for guidance and He will help. Let us not bring this up anymore and I will be disappointed if this argument comes up again.

Also, please don’t bring politics into this, this is about religion, not politics.
Be mindful of what you say, and realize if it upsets people or causes an argument it is best not to say it.
I hope that you have a good night and may God guide you and bless you

Brother E: I am not out to harm anyone. I only want them to enjoy life the way God intended it to be. And I can say something is wrong if it is my opinion. Opinions have a right to be spoken. And mine are in no way offensive.

Sorry, but I brought politics into because a lot of it has to do with politics.

Goodnight, TCOMIB. May God continue to bless, teach, and guide you.

I said for marriage

Brother E: Well, yes. The Bible said that's wrong too.

so you're only ever going to have sex when procreating

Brother E: Only with my wife I will. That's it.

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Brother E: I am not out to harm anyone. I only want them to enjoy life the way God intended it to be. And I can say something is wrong if it is my opinion. Opinions have a right to be spoken.

Sorry, but I brought politics into because a lot of it has to do with politics.

Goodnight, TCOMIB. May God continue to bless, teach, and guide you. Brother E: Well, yes. The Bible said that's wrong too.

Please, refrain from bringing up politics when they were not mentioned. It causes fights.
You are entitled to your opinion, but again be very mindful of how you word things, when you say it and why.  Let us drop the subject now. No more arguing about what’s right or wrong. Especially as bassettt is a Christian and no matter what, he trusts and loves God. That’s the most important thing and I’m very happy for him.

[Bassettt]

Brother E: I am not out to harm anyone. I only want them to enjoy life the way God intended it to be. And I can say something is wrong if it is my opinion. Opinions have a right to be spoken. And mine are in no way offensive.

Sorry, but I brought politics into because a lot of it has to do with politics.

Goodnight, TCOMIB. May God continue to bless, teach, and guide you.
Brother E: Well, yes. The Bible said that's wrong too.
Brother E: Only with my wife I will. That's it.

So you’re saying I can’t have a true marriage?

Let’s get this straight, you want to deprive gays of the most basic joys of a healthy relationship, marriage and sex, because of something they didn’t choose? Do you realize how horrible that is?

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I personally believe something else regarding that, which you can PM me about bassettt, but I won’t mention anymore here to keep true to my word

[ChurroSalesman25]

Did I post this image in, like, 3 different threads already? Maybe.
Is that gonna stop me from posting it again? Of course not! Trans rights are human rights babeyyy!