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Question: Are you a member of the LGBT2Q+ community? SELECT ALL THAT APPLY TO YOU.
No, I am not a member of the LGBT2Q+ community. - 23 (23.5%)
No, I am not a member of the LGBT2Q+ community, but I consider myself an Ally. - 22 (22.4%)
No, I am not a member of the LGBT2Q+ community, and I view the LGBT2Q+ community negatively. - 5 (5.1%)
Yes, I am Lesbian. - 2 (2%)
Yes, I am Gay. - 7 (7.1%)
Yes, I am Bisexual. - 7 (7.1%)
Yes, I am Transgender. - 4 (4.1%)
Yes, I am 2-Spirit. - 1 (1%)
Yes, I am Queer. - 2 (2%)
Yes, I am Intersex. - 1 (1%)
Yes, I am Agender/Non-binary. - 2 (2%)
Yes, I am Asexual. - 8 (8.2%)
Yes, I am Pansexual. - 2 (2%)
Yes, I am a different non-mainstream sexual orientation. - 2 (2%)
Yes, I am a different non-mainstream gender identity. - 2 (2%)
I am Questioning. - 8 (8.2%)
Total Voters: 57

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« Reply #750 on: May 09, 2020, 08:53:44 PM »

Brother E: Okay, you all said your thoughts clearly, so let me say mine. This is not really intend to non-believers, but mostly believers in God.

 Yes, of course we love them. But as Christians who know right from wrong, that doesn't mean we just accept the wrong actions. You don't agree and accept what thieves or drug addicts do, instead we want to help them get out of those actions.

This to non believers doesn't make all that much sense. But to Christians who knows God's Word should know that it is wrong and shouldn't agree with it. That's everyone's get away card now, saying we must love them and agree with their actions. Yes, of course we should love them, and even Jesus Himself hung out with sinners and loved them. But he didn't agree with their actions. People were changed after they hung out with them, and He said, "Go and sin no more." Those same verses you just refered to, TCOMIB, were spoken by Jesus, who also agreed with the Old Testament laws, like no stealing,  murder, no gay marriages, etc. Jesus said he didn't come to remove the law, but inforce it. Of course, we don't kill people now days who break those law, because Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for sin on the cross, but  we do still follow those laws. Jesus also spoke out against wrong things, but was He judging? No.

Should I judge people? No. Am I perfect?  Of course not. But, Christians can't stay quiet anymore and let everyone be brain washed. My concern is actually more in the media promoting gay actions as right than the actual people themselves. Because if we don't stand up and say, "No, you will not be playing this for my kids." Or, "No, I won't allow this wrong law to be passed," Unless we don't stop it, people will be brain washed by the media so much that they won't care if we want to share Christ's love with them or not. They will think doing wrong is okay, and won't listen to what we have to say.

Another thing, marriage is sacred be a man and a woman. Why? Because they produce life, and the child grows up healthy with a mother and a father. It has been proven that children do best with a father and a mother in their life.

Okay, those are my long paragraphs. I will be surprised if you red all of it. Nervous I might get backlash, but hey, this is my thoughts on everything, in agreeing with the Bible, as you guys shared yours.
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« Reply #751 on: May 09, 2020, 08:56:03 PM »

the second sentence in the article says yes, animals can have gay sex

This may include same-sex sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairs.
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« Reply #752 on: May 09, 2020, 09:04:23 PM »

the second sentence in the article says yes, animals can have gay sex

This may include same-sex sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairs.
Brother E: I still don't buy it. Besides, even if animals did that, it doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it. Some animals are cannibalistic,but that doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it.

I am a Christian who knows right from wrong. I go to church every single wee. I have been baptized, received First Holy Communion, and I intend on being confirmed in 1 or two years. I go to religious education every Monday, and even during this quarantine I'm still just as devout. I say a Novena every Wednesday. I'm a devout Christian and I am proud to be one. The color of mood is blue falls in the exact same boat. And as a devout Christian, I think there is a bible passage that's more important that Leviticus 20:33. "Love one another, as I have loved you." You are saying that all Christians disapprove of LGBTQ+, which is offending. There are many Christians who are allies. Some of my closest friends are LGBT. Being homosexual is not a choice, which you need to understand.
Brother E: What do you mean, it's not a choice? Undecided
And did I say we shouldn't love one another? Of course we should. The same principle can be applied to drug addicts. We love those people, but we still think what they are doing is wrong.
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Brother E: I meant picture wise. Wikipedia isn't always 100% accurate.
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« Reply #753 on: May 09, 2020, 09:06:59 PM »

Brother E: I still don't buy it. Besides, even if animals did that, it doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it. Some animals are cannibalistic,but that doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it.
Brother E: What do you mean, it's not a choice? Undecided
And did I say we shouldn't love one another? Of course we should. The same principle can be applied to drug addicts. We love those people, but we still think what they are doing is wrong.Brother E: I meant picture wise. Wikipedia isn't always 100% accurate.
He means we didn’t choose to be gay
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« Reply #754 on: May 09, 2020, 09:09:24 PM »

Brother E: I still don't buy it. Besides, even if animals did that, it doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it. Some animals are cannibalistic,but that doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it.

In 1998 two male griffon vultures named Dashik and Yehuda, at the Jerusalem Biblical Zoo, engaged in "open and energetic sex" and built a nest. The keepers provided the couple with an artificial egg, which the two parents took turns incubating; and 45 days later, the zoo replaced the egg with a baby vulture. The two male vultures raised the chick together.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/gay-vulture-couple-raise-surrogate-chicks-1110120.html

Brother E: I meant picture wise. Wikipedia isn't always 100% accurate.

.....you expected to see pictures of animals having gay sex on Wikipedia?
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« Reply #755 on: May 09, 2020, 09:13:13 PM »

In 1998 two male griffon vultures named Dashik and Yehuda, at the Jerusalem Biblical Zoo, engaged in "open and energetic sex" and built a nest. The keepers provided the couple with an artificial egg, which the two parents took turns incubating; and 45 days later, the zoo replaced the egg with a baby vulture. The two male vultures raised the chick together.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/gay-vulture-couple-raise-surrogate-chicks-1110120.html

.....you expected to see pictures of animals having gay sex on Wikipedia?
Sounds kinda gay to me
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« Reply #756 on: May 09, 2020, 09:18:11 PM »

In 1998 two male griffon vultures named Dashik and Yehuda, at the Jerusalem Biblical Zoo, engaged in "open and energetic sex" and built a nest. The keepers provided the couple with an artificial egg, which the two parents took turns incubating; and 45 days later, the zoo replaced the egg with a baby vulture. The two male vultures raised the chick together.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/gay-vulture-couple-raise-surrogate-chicks-1110120.html

.....you expected to see pictures of animals having gay sex on Wikipedia?
Brother E: Not really, but they can't post pictures there and claim them to be two same genders animals having you know what together if they aren't.

Also, no animal in the wild will do that. Those where vultures in a zoo, so knows how they trained those animals. Also, the zoo was probably just raising the vulture themselves and claiming the two males did.

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« Reply #757 on: May 09, 2020, 09:19:36 PM »

Also, no animal in the wild will do that. Those where vultures in a zoo, so knows how they trained those animals. Also, the zoo was probably just raising the vulture themselves and claiming the two males did.
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« Reply #758 on: May 09, 2020, 09:19:40 PM »

Brother E: Not really, but they can't post pictures there and claim them to be two same genders animals having you know what together if they aren't.

Also, no animal in the wild will do that. Those where vultures in a zoo, so knows how they trained those animals. Also, the zoo was probably just raising the vulture themselves and claiming the two males did.

Feel free to blast on my opinion.
Except it does happen in the wild, a good example is with penguins
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« Reply #759 on: May 09, 2020, 09:20:47 PM »

Brother E: Not really, but they can't post pictures there and claim them to be two same genders animals having you know what together if they aren't.

Also, no animal in the wild will do that. Those where vultures in a zoo, so knows how they trained those animals. Also, the zoo was probably just raising the vulture themselves and claiming the two males did.

1. They're not claiming that at all, homosexual behavior isn't just sexual activity, the pictures are of homosexual animals coupling.

2. If you actually read the article you would know there are some examples of animals in the wild having homosexual sex. I cannot and will not copy those quotes here as they're descriptively sexual but you are just completely wrong.
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« Reply #760 on: May 09, 2020, 09:21:38 PM »

1. They're not claiming that at all, homosexual behavior isn't just sexual activity, the pictures are of homosexual animals coupling.

2. If you actually read the article you would know there are some examples of animals in the wild having homosexual sex. I cannot and will not copy those quotes here as they're descriptively sexual but you are just completely wrong.
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« Reply #761 on: May 09, 2020, 09:24:36 PM »

I read the article and the bats' part really does a great at detailing what they do, like really.
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« Reply #762 on: May 09, 2020, 09:28:48 PM »

Brother E: Okay, you all said your thoughts clearly, so let me say mine. This is not really intend to non-believers, but mostly believers in God.

 Yes, of course we love them. But as Christians who know right from wrong, that doesn't mean we just accept the wrong actions. You don't agree and accept what thieves or drug addicts do, instead we want to help them get out of those actions.

This to non believers doesn't make all that much sense. But to Christians who knows God's Word should know that it is wrong and shouldn't agree with it. That's everyone's get away card now, saying we must love them and agree with their actions. Yes, of course we should love them, and even Jesus Himself hung out with sinners and loved them. But he didn't agree with their actions. People were changed after they hung out with them, and He said, "Go and sin no more." Those same verses you just refered to, TCOMIB, were spoken by Jesus, who also agreed with the Old Testament laws, like no stealing,  murder, no gay marriages, etc. Jesus said he didn't come to remove the law, but inforce it. Of course, we don't kill people now days who break those law, because Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for sin on the cross, but  we do still follow those laws. Jesus also spoke out against wrong things, but was He judging? No.

Should I judge people? No. Am I perfect?  Of course not. But, Christians can't stay quiet anymore and let everyone be brain washed. My concern is actually more in the media promoting gay actions as right than the actual people themselves. Because if we don't stand up and say, "No, you will not be playing this for my kids." Or, "No, I won't allow this wrong law to be passed," Unless we don't stop it, people will be brain washed by the media so much that they won't care if we want to share Christ's love with them or not. They will think doing wrong is okay, and won't listen to what we have to say.

Another thing, marriage is sacred be a man and a woman. Why? Because they produce life, and the child grows up healthy with a mother and a father. It has been proven that children do best with a father and a mother in their life.

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I never said you have to agree, I said you have to ACCEPT. I mean, even I disagree with the sexual part of homosexuality to put it bluntly. But do I go around and tell people that? Do I make sure that everyone knows my views? No of course not! Because my goal shouldn’t be to change people. A grand majority of my friends are gay and I’ll support them no matter what, because they are my friends and they deserve love. The Bible makes a BIG distinction between judging the sin of believers and non believers though 1
Corinthians 5:9-13 says:
“ 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church[b ]whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

If you or a friend who is a believer in God struggles with sexual sin,whether having sexual relations with the same gender, adultery or others, talk to them privately and help bring them back to God. But God says don’t deal with the sin of non-believers because they will be judged him HIM ONLY.

Currently, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that the media is becoming more accepting. Gay people are deserving of acceptance and love. However, remember that the world has ALWAYS preferred sexual/sinful/etc behavior. We may fight against it, but the worldly battle against sin cannot be won by humans. Just remember Jebz, nothing has truly changed, you can say the media is brainwashing you or whatever but this is how the world has always been. There are hundreds of verses saying to be set apart from the world. You don’t need to follow in the ways of the world.

1 John 2:15-18 ESV

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

God Himself even says that the world was sinful, even then! Just recognize this. Only God may purify the world. It is not up to us to judge the world. If being gay is something that you see as sinful, you may refrain from things that promote it such as movies or books. Even if someone you know is acting sinful and it is causing you harm, you can tell them that their sin is influencing you negatively. But always remember, do not judge people. For no matter their sin, your sins are equally as bad. All sins are just sins in God’s eyes. We must ask for forgiveness for them. If a believer you know is struggling with sexual sin, guide them back to God. Don’t say judgements before you encourage them back. If a non believer is struggling with sexual sin, you can KINDLY try to bring them to God if they are willing. If not, leave them alone and let God decide. I’m not saying you have to accept the world either. For it is best to stay away from what you believe is sinful. But again, recognize that everyone is sinful and it is not our job to tell people that.

What I mean to say by all this is this: (Aka, here’s the tldr) constantly speaking out about how you disagree with homosexuality is not showing Christ’s love or actions. Sometimes your opinion on that shouldn’t be shared unless necessary. If you are afraid a believing friend is struggling with sexual sin it’s okay to guide them back to God. Otherwise, it’s best to leave it alone. I put loving others and trying to SHOW God’s love before my opinions. And this isn’t condemning you either! I am not angry or think you are wrong for your beliefs. You are okay for having an opinion. It upsets people when people on the forum often talk about how they disagree with homosexuality or abortion or other things, because to them it feels like judgement. I would recommend instead showing love and acceptance for others and trying to guide them to God before stating your opinions on their lifestyle.

Here’s some verses:
Matthew 5:43-48
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.“

Proverbs 10:12
“ 12 Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.”

You cannot lead everyone to God, and you can not prevent every sin. It’s useless to think you can. But you can lead some people, and that’s the importance of showing love before all else. Because words of kindness and encouragement can bring someone to God and they will turn from sin themselves. Always ask God for forgiveness, and pray that He May guide you as well. I hope that you read this dear Jebz, this is only meant as guidement and not judgement.
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« Reply #763 on: May 09, 2020, 09:43:04 PM »

I never said you have to agree, I said you have to ACCEPT. I mean, even I disagree with the sexual part of homosexuality to put it bluntly. But do I go around and tell people that? Do I make sure that everyone knows my views? No of course not! Because my goal shouldn’t be to change people. A grand majority of my friends are gay and I’ll support them no matter what, because they are my friends and they deserve love. The Bible makes a BIG distinction between judging the sin of believers and non believers though 1
Corinthians 5:9-13 says:
“ 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

If you or a friend who is a believer in God struggles with sexual sin,whether having sexual relations with the same gender, adultery or others, talk to them privately and help bring them back to God. But God says don’t deal with the sin of non-believers because they will be judged him HIM ONLY.

Currently, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that the media is becoming more accepting. Gay people are deserving of acceptance and love. However, remember that the world has ALWAYS preferred sexual/sinful/etc behavior. We may fight against it, but the worldly battle against sin cannot be won by humans. Just remember Jebz, nothing has truly changed, you can say the media is brainwashing you or whatever but this is how the world has always been. There are hundreds of verses saying to be set apart from the world. You don’t need to follow in the ways of the world.

1 John 2:15-18 ESV

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

God Himself even says that the world was sinful, even then! Just recognize this. Only God may purify the world. It is not up to us to judge the world. If being gay is something that you see as sinful, you may refrain from things that promote it such as movies or books. Even if someone you know is acting sinful and it is causing you harm, you can tell them that their sin is influencing you negatively. But always remember, do not judge people. For no matter their sin, your sins are equally as bad. All sins are just sins in God’s eyes. We must ask for forgiveness for them. If a believer you know is struggling with sexual sin, guide them back to God. Don’t say judgements before you encourage them back. If a non believer is struggling with sexual sin, you can KINDLY try to bring them to God if they are willing. If not, leave them alone and let God decide. I’m not saying you have to accept the world either. For it is best to stay away from what you believe is sinful. But again, recognize that everyone is sinful and it is not our job to tell people that.

What I mean to say by all this is this: (Aka, here’s the tldr) constantly speaking out about how you disagree with homosexuality is not showing Christ’s love or actions. Sometimes your opinion on that shouldn’t be shared unless necessary. If you are afraid a believing friend is struggling with sexual sin it’s okay to guide them back to God. Otherwise, it’s best to leave it alone. I put loving others and trying to SHOW God’s love before my opinions. And this isn’t condemning you either! I am not angry or think you are wrong for your beliefs. You are okay for having an opinion. It upsets people when people on the forum often talk about how they disagree with homosexuality or abortion or other things, because to them it feels like judgement. I would recommend instead showing love and acceptance for others and trying to guide them to God before stating your opinions on their lifestyle.

Here’s some verses:
Matthew 5:43-48
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.“

Proverbs 10:12
“ 12 Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.”

You cannot lead everyone to God, and you can not prevent every sin. It’s useless to think you can. But you can lead some people, and that’s the importance of showing love before all else. Because words of kindness and encouragement can bring someone to God and they will turn from sin themselves. Always ask God for forgiveness, and pray that He May guide you as well. I hope that you read this dear Jebz, this is only meant as guidement and not judgement.
Brother E: True, but that's the thing. Society and the media is shoving it down kids throats by putting that stuff in kids programming. That's when we need to stand up against that. We need to speak up and say it's wrong. Christians shouldn't be just sitting back and keeping quiet. Because if we keep quiet, no one will speak out against it. We are not judging if we stand up against something that we believe is wrong. I can say I disagree with something without it being judgmental, and I am free to say that. If there's someone who take it judgemental, that's them. But there's some who might not take it judgemental and it will help them in the right path. We need to let people interpret it themselves.

Also, you don't need to accept their ways, you need to help them out of their ways. Like you said, loving and kindly.
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« Reply #764 on: May 09, 2020, 09:48:06 PM »

Brother E: True, but that's the thing. Society and the media is shoving it down kids throats by putting that stuff in kids programming. That's when we need to stand up against that. We need to speak up and say it's wrong. Christians shouldn't be just sitting back and keeping quiet. Because if we keep quiet, no one will speak out against it. We are not judging if we stand up against something that we believe is wrong. I can say I disagree with something without it being judgmental, and I am free to say that. If there's someone who take it judgemental, that's them. But there's some who might not take it judgemental and it will help them in the right path. We need to let people interpret it themselves.

Also, you don't need to accept their ways, you need to help them out of their ways. Like you said, loving and kindly.
I really haven’t seen any kids programming that has people kissing the same sex or doing worse. That’s just not appropriate. But it shouldn’t be an issue if it’s just “oh this kid is gay” “oh look a lesbian couple” I agree, please do stand up against anything sexual in children’s programming or even just normal programming. But don’t fight against a gay couple or even a marriage. Honestly, it isn’t worth it. Just if a kid or someone you know feels upset or confused by it, you can teach them. But fighting against it isn’t really a good way to do it. Again, actions have to be kind as well. We shouldn’t necessarily keep quiet, but also we shouldn’t cause a scene. Be mindful of HOW you put your words as well. If someone sees it as judge mental, perhaps you worded it harshly. Make your posts informative, and have guidance. And again, not just spouting an opinion and hope people learn. People learn through seeing how others behave as well.
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