TWG Headquarters

[Bandero]

I've made it to TWG XXX for times played. I've been busy this weekend, but I'll start working on it again ASAP.

[Abu]

Are you making a list like the one Archi had though, where it would go like

Title with link to game Topic
Host
Who won
mvp

[Bandero]

I'll update that with the new ones.

That list is still intact in the old HQ.

[ZechAkari]

Widow has one of the first messages on this topic.

[Shendelzare]

Meanwhile

[Shendelzare]

I have a suggestion.

Independent roles have their own goals to win. Biased independents win by themselves, while Unbiased Independents win with others.

But what about Semi-Biased? Semi-Biased ones can either win by their own or with others. That's what I truly mean. Such examples are Amnesiac, Stranger, Student, Succubus, and Thief. But in the future, there's another Semi-Biased role I somehow introduced:

Valkyrie - Can only kill two people over the course of the game, yet if she attacks her randomly specified target ("Valkyrie's Interest"), it will instead not be used at all. Wins until the end, along with the target (can be anyone but other Neutral Biased), if his/her target had their winning requirements done. Cannot know her target (but the target knows the Valkyrie), and her target cannot talk to the Valkyrie by PMs, otherwise it is a modkill that do not warrant a gameban, until Night 2.

Does the Valkyrie win with anyone?
Unlike the Succubus, the Valkyrie doesn't win with anyone, as she is actually Neutral Biased, but due to "Valkyrie's Interest", Valkyrie is one of the Neutral Semi-Biased as if her target wins, along with the Valkyrie, only both win, no one else. However, albeit the target knows that he was the target after all, the Valkyrie doesn't know her own target at all until Night 2.

[Nickito]

Amnesiac, Student, Stranger, and Thief are special cases (and I guess Undecided). They choose their own alignment. I wouldn't call them Semi-Balanced. They don't care what goes on outside of what they do, like all other unbiased roles.

I'd put the other semi-biased roles (Succubus/Valkyrie) as being biased. Unbiased means they can win with everyone as long as they accomplish their goals. Succubus can't win with the Wolves, so it isn't unbiased.

Basically, unbiased roles can win with anyone. Biased roles cannot win with anyone. If there was a Refugee that only won if the Guardian was dead, they would be biased because they cannot win with everyone. In my opinion there is no in between.

[Shendelzare]

[1] Amnesiac, Student, Stranger, and Thief are special cases (and I guess Undecided). They choose their own alignment. I wouldn't call them Semi-Balanced. They don't care what goes on outside of what they do, like all other unbiased roles.

[2] I'd put the other semi-biased roles (Succubus/Valkyrie) as being biased. Unbiased means they can win with everyone as long as they accomplish their goals. Succubus can't win with the Wolves, so it isn't unbiased.

[3] Basically, unbiased roles can win with anyone. Biased roles cannot win with anyone. If there was a Refugee that only won if the Guardian was dead, they would be biased because they cannot win with everyone. In my opinion there is no in between.

1. Agreed.

2. Valkyrie was the biased one...

...while Succubus is unbiased, because she can even side with other Unbiased Independents, I believe as I made that role. The reason why I don't want them to side with wolves because it can make it overpowered.

3. I see.

[Kowhai]

Basically, unbiased roles can win with anyone. Biased roles cannot win with anyone. If there was a Refugee that only won if the Guardian was dead, they would be biased because they cannot win with everyone. In my opinion there is no in between.

Well, no, because if the Guardian just needed to be dead, then it would still be unbiased, as they could still win with the Guardian as the Guardian is a human role that can still win when dead. That's like saying Executioner is biased.

[Nickito]

Okay bad example
Replace Guardian with Vigilante or something

[Abu]

It is literally an improvement over the Necromancer in every way, and I do not mean in making it OP. Necromancer is what makes miller gaming a thing again.

[Abu]

how?
you can revive 2 confirmed people with Angakukk

Who then end up dying.

[Nickito]

I hope for Angakkuk to never be used again unless it is changed up A LOT

Yeah
Here I was relaxing and now I'm revived and I have to do stuff
With a Necro this wouldn't happen

[Abu]

Yeah
Here I was relaxing and now I'm revived and I have to do stuff
With a Necro this wouldn't happen

Hate to break it to you but if the Necromancer revived you, you would still have to "do stuff".

[dar]

Hate to break it to you but if the Necromancer revived you, you would still have to "do stuff".

He probably meant if the game proceeded as usual.
Skylark would be perm. revived, Nickito wouldn't be revived.