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« Reply #270 on: December 28, 2017, 08:12:30 PM »

Something like allowing the Tide Chimer to take everyone's votes that have not been used yet for the rest of the day, once in the game. This gives it more usage because currently at best it gets 2-3 extra votes...and can only use the ability once.
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« Reply #271 on: December 28, 2017, 08:40:51 PM »

Don't like the idea of having Warden with Guardian, if they find each other then town can basically just win through the miller-game.
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TWG stats:
TWGXI - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXII - Brutal Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXIII - Coroner (Victory)
TWGXIV - Guardian (Victory)

TWGXV - Hunter (Loss)
TWGXVI - Fool (Loss)

TWGXVII - Seer (Loss, Human MVP)
TWGXIX - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXXI - Human (Loss)
TWGXXII - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXIII - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXIV - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXXVI - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXXVII - Human (Victory)
TWGXXVIII - Disguised Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)

TWGXXX - Mason (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXXII - Mason (Victory)

TWGXXXIII - Trapper (Loss)
TWGXXXIV - Human > Cultist (Victory)
TWGXXXV - Cop (Loss)
TWGXXXVI - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXXVIII - Transporter (Victory)
TWGXXXIX - Mercenary (Unfinished)

TWGXL - Riddler (Loss)
TWGXLI - Amnesiac (Loss)
TWGXLII - Vigilante (Loss, Independent MVP)

TWGXLIII - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXLV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXLVI - Maniac (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXLVII - Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXLVIII - Moderator (Loss)
TWGL - Gentleman > Cultist (Loss)
TWGLI - Wrathful Tenant (Victory)
TWGLII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLIV - Bounty Hunter (Loss)
TWGLVI - Pack Leader (Victory)
TWGLVII - Amnesiac > Necromancer (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLVIII - Seer (Loss)

TWGLIX - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLX - Warden (Victory)
TWGLXI - Student (Loss)
TWGLXII - Student > Hunter (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLXIII - Human > Fool (Loss)
TWGLXV - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXVI - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLXVII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLXVIII - Wolf (Victory)

TWGLXIX - Traitor (Victory, HM)
TWGLXX - Amnesiac > Seer (Loss)
TWGLXXI - Tinker (Victory, HM)
TWGLXXII - Seer (Victory, Overall MVP)

TWGLXXIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLXXIV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXV - Mason (Loss)
TWGLXXVI - Wolf (Loss)

TWGLXXVII - Sun God (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXVIII - Soldier (Loss)
TWGLXXIX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXX - Insomniac (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXI - Vigilante (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXII - Human (Loss)
TWGLXXXIII - Psycho (Loss)

TWGLXXXIV - Potion Maker (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXV - Priest (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXVI - Insomniac (Victory)
TWGLXXXVII - Necromancer (Loss)
TWGLXXXVIII - Clairvoyant (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXIX - Succubus (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXC - Wolf Shaman (Victory, Wolf MVP)
TWGXCI - Brutal Wolf (Loss)
TWGXCIII - Eidetic Wolf (Loss)

TWGXCIV - Disguised Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXCV - Hypnotizer (Unfinished)
TWGXCVI - Amnesiac > Kingsley (Loss)
TWGXCVII - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXCVIII - Amnesiac > Wolf Shaman (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGXCIX - Tide Chimer (Victory)
TWGC - Clairvoyant (Loss)
TWGCIII - Necromancer (Victory)
TWGCIV - Knot Expert (Victory)
TWGCVI - Snezhinka (Loss)
TWGCXVIII - Mason (Victory)
TWGCXIX - Coroner (Victory, Overall MVP)

Hosted:
TWGXVIII: Traitor!
TWGXXV: The Inhospitable Hospital
TWGXXXI: Colourblind
TWGXXXVII: Cold Blood
TWGXLIV: Independence Day
TWGXLIX: Deserted
TWGLV: Video Games
TWGLXIV: A Ghost Story
TWGXCII: Werewolves in SPACE!
TWGCVII: Age of Mythology
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« Reply #272 on: December 28, 2017, 08:44:19 PM »

new thing I did for TWG C in case we do Sprite Medium

Spirit Medium: Can revive 1 player in the game at the cost of their own life; the revivee is unannounced. However, the Spirit Medium would be allowed to post and PM ONLY what the revivee sends them; any posts or PMs that the revived target wishes to make must instead be PMed to the now-dead Spirit Medium, who will be given the exception of being able to post and PM for the revivee.


What do yall think of this?
Imo this seems really, really inconvenient. You would need to stretch the day/night cycles out or have a really devoted and active person be revived, otherwise it wouldn't really be worth it. At this point, just make a Medium that can revive a dead player's power- so this new Medium get's the dead player's results (if they were a power role) and can now use their power.

Ex. Lusamine died. Lusamine was Seer. Somehow, Nickito the New Medium has found out that Lusamine was seer. New Medium decides to revive Nick's power. New Medium now has Nick's past seering results and can now seer in future nights.

It's just a town sided Amnesiac, essentially.

Also- do we have a policy for what to do if a Necro/Agakkuaq/Town-aligned revival role tries to revive a Neutral role? (Assuming that there is no gamethrowing involved and the Town-aligned revival role legitimently thinks that the Neutral role was town and worth-reviving)
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« Reply #273 on: December 28, 2017, 08:48:58 PM »

I'd say it's not very inconvenient. The revived leaves messages when they're online, the reviver posts messages when they're online.
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TWG stats:
TWGXI - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXII - Brutal Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXIII - Coroner (Victory)
TWGXIV - Guardian (Victory)

TWGXV - Hunter (Loss)
TWGXVI - Fool (Loss)

TWGXVII - Seer (Loss, Human MVP)
TWGXIX - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXXI - Human (Loss)
TWGXXII - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXIII - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXIV - Brutal Wolf (Loss, HM)
TWGXXVI - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXXVII - Human (Victory)
TWGXXVIII - Disguised Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)

TWGXXX - Mason (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXXXII - Mason (Victory)

TWGXXXIII - Trapper (Loss)
TWGXXXIV - Human > Cultist (Victory)
TWGXXXV - Cop (Loss)
TWGXXXVI - Guardian (Victory)
TWGXXXVIII - Transporter (Victory)
TWGXXXIX - Mercenary (Unfinished)

TWGXL - Riddler (Loss)
TWGXLI - Amnesiac (Loss)
TWGXLII - Vigilante (Loss, Independent MVP)

TWGXLIII - Guardian (Loss)
TWGXLV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGXLVI - Maniac (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXLVII - Wolf (Loss, Wolf MVP)
TWGXLVIII - Moderator (Loss)
TWGL - Gentleman > Cultist (Loss)
TWGLI - Wrathful Tenant (Victory)
TWGLII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLIV - Bounty Hunter (Loss)
TWGLVI - Pack Leader (Victory)
TWGLVII - Amnesiac > Necromancer (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLVIII - Seer (Loss)

TWGLIX - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLX - Warden (Victory)
TWGLXI - Student (Loss)
TWGLXII - Student > Hunter (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGLXIII - Human > Fool (Loss)
TWGLXV - Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXVI - Maniac (Loss)
TWGLXVII - Wolf (Loss)
TWGLXVIII - Wolf (Victory)

TWGLXIX - Traitor (Victory, HM)
TWGLXX - Amnesiac > Seer (Loss)
TWGLXXI - Tinker (Victory, HM)
TWGLXXII - Seer (Victory, Overall MVP)

TWGLXXIII - Human (Victory)
TWGLXXIV - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXV - Mason (Loss)
TWGLXXVI - Wolf (Loss)

TWGLXXVII - Sun God (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXVIII - Soldier (Loss)
TWGLXXIX - Vigilante (Loss)
TWGLXXX - Insomniac (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXI - Vigilante (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXII - Human (Loss)
TWGLXXXIII - Psycho (Loss)

TWGLXXXIV - Potion Maker (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXV - Priest (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGLXXXVI - Insomniac (Victory)
TWGLXXXVII - Necromancer (Loss)
TWGLXXXVIII - Clairvoyant (Loss, HM)
TWGLXXXIX - Succubus (Victory, Independent MVP)

TWGXC - Wolf Shaman (Victory, Wolf MVP)
TWGXCI - Brutal Wolf (Loss)
TWGXCIII - Eidetic Wolf (Loss)

TWGXCIV - Disguised Wolf (Victory, Overall MVP)
TWGXCV - Hypnotizer (Unfinished)
TWGXCVI - Amnesiac > Kingsley (Loss)
TWGXCVII - Human (Unfinished)
TWGXCVIII - Amnesiac > Wolf Shaman (Victory, Independent MVP)
TWGXCIX - Tide Chimer (Victory)
TWGC - Clairvoyant (Loss)
TWGCIII - Necromancer (Victory)
TWGCIV - Knot Expert (Victory)
TWGCVI - Snezhinka (Loss)
TWGCXVIII - Mason (Victory)
TWGCXIX - Coroner (Victory, Overall MVP)

Hosted:
TWGXVIII: Traitor!
TWGXXV: The Inhospitable Hospital
TWGXXXI: Colourblind
TWGXXXVII: Cold Blood
TWGXLIV: Independence Day
TWGXLIX: Deserted
TWGLV: Video Games
TWGLXIV: A Ghost Story
TWGXCII: Werewolves in SPACE!
TWGCVII: Age of Mythology
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« Reply #274 on: December 28, 2017, 08:49:26 PM »

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Qazikol - 80
Sodium Chloride - 80
Lenny - 71
Harrington - 61
Leia - 60
Lore - 60
Lusamine - 58
Penguin022 - 58
Futaba Sakura - 54
Nickito - 47
KitKatExtreme - 47
Saburo - 43
Everilyfel - 40
Flipfan Oofis - 39
Kangablue - 38
Natayla - 36
Rachel Amber - 36
JustHereForKCP - 32
Zetsubeau - 31
Panda-Chu - 30
AuroraLights - 30
Red - 29
!!Vinny927 - 29
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Kiefer - 27
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Ryuji - 26
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Black Hole - 21
Ariana - 20
PixelHunter - 20
Bang - 19
Gigi Lee Lann - 17
The Spy - 16
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Toasty - 14
blankin - 13
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Dark-Knight - 10
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memes - 9
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skylark89 - 7
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Lollipop - 6
MatiN - 6
TheLionKing - 6
RoastedCopperGuy - 6
Gato - 5
JakeZ - 5
MarkiplierFana! - 5
Jules - 5
PeppermintLeaf - 5
Cyrus - 4
Red Velvet - 4
Lpcarver - 4
Morenatsu - 4
All Over Pink - 4
\_MegaDragonite_/ - 4
~LukaLoveblood~ - 4
Golden.Chocolate - 4
DeluxePizza - 3
AskJoe - 3
Hajime - 3
Rossome - 3
SaucyKing - 3
Vector - 3
Faith.xoxo - 2
The Perrin Sequence - 2
Watermelon - 2
Tangerine - 2
Rainbow Rocket - 2
CoolABlaster - 2
Crytongal - 2
AsadoCooperFan - 2
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Momo-senpai - 1
DryShyGuy - 1
BloxxerofNoobs - 1
LaserLance - 1
Fliptropica - 1
datoofboiiii - 1
Choco~Loco - 1
Ixora - 1
Coopah - 1
flarp - 1
geniuskid11111 - 1
Mint Cherry - 1
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Zartaushat - 1
Chicha Lover - 1
gimmicks - 1
Gaster - 1
minecraftmaster1.0 - 1
Ace Trainer - 1
PokeCake - 1
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TWG Stats:
LXXXIX - Win - Disguised Wolf
XC - Loss - Human
XCI - Loss - Insomniac
XCII - Win - Wolf
XCIII - Loss - Cheater
XCIV - Loss - Guardian
XCV - Game Died - Guardian
XCVI - Loss - Politician
XCVII - Loss - Seer
XCVIII - Loss - Human
XCIX - Win and MVP - Angakkuq
C - Loss - Wanderer
CI - Host
CII - Win - Insomniac
CIII - Loss - Disguised Wolf
CIV - Win - Human
CV - Loss - Human
CVI - Win - Arctic Wolf
CVII - Lose - Seer/Servant/Human
CVIII - Host
CIX - N/A
CX - Win - Lvov
CXI - Win and MVP - Arsonist
CXII - Win and MVP - Espionage Wolf
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« Reply #275 on: December 28, 2017, 08:52:35 PM »

At this rate it's going to be really hard to stop miller-gaming
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« Reply #276 on: December 28, 2017, 09:04:09 PM »

I'd say it's not very inconvenient. The revived leaves messages when they're online, the reviver posts messages when they're online.
But what if it's a relatively inactive player? Say Ravine Roth the Seer was revived (sorry Ravine) through Lusamine the Medium. Lusamine needs results so he knows who to lynch, but Ravine hasn't been on for 12 hours, and by the time she gets the results to him it may be too late to change the lynch. And then vice versa- if Lusamine really needs Ravine to post results, but Ravine hasn't been online since the day began and the day is running out of time, Ravine may not arrive in time to make the posts for Lusamine to change the lynch.

A lot of times in TWG, timing really matters. People need to throw out ideas sooner then later, because later people are less likely to believe them. This isn't always the case but it tends to happen.

And what about Illogical? If he's Spirit Medium, it's going to be noticeable. He barely posts, and then he decides to revive KKE who posts frequently, and then now he's posting all the time? That is going to raise eyebrows and suspicion, and bring his attention to the wolves.
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« Reply #277 on: December 28, 2017, 09:10:16 PM »

I mean this role seems to be designed to revive the town leaders

Don't like the idea of having Warden with Guardian, if they find each other then town can basically just win through the miller-game.
at this point, why have any unique roles at all? They could just be confirmed and we could have miller gaming.
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« Reply #278 on: December 28, 2017, 09:25:31 PM »

Times hosted (including 100)

Nickito - 14
Lenny - 13
Penguin022 - 10
Qazikol - 9
IllogicallyIllogical - 8
KitKatExtreme - 7
Leia - 5
Everilyfel - 5
Lusamine - 4
Harrington - 4
Natayla - 3
!!Vinny927 - 3
Kangablue - 2
magicmusic - 2
AuroraLights - 1
Futaba Sakura - 1
Sent - 1
Rachel Amber - 1
Sodium Chloride - 1
Black Hole - 1
Excalibur - 1
Lore - 1
The Spy - 1
Zetsubeau - 1
Bang - 1
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TWG Stats:
LXXXIX - Win - Disguised Wolf
XC - Loss - Human
XCI - Loss - Insomniac
XCII - Win - Wolf
XCIII - Loss - Cheater
XCIV - Loss - Guardian
XCV - Game Died - Guardian
XCVI - Loss - Politician
XCVII - Loss - Seer
XCVIII - Loss - Human
XCIX - Win and MVP - Angakkuq
C - Loss - Wanderer
CI - Host
CII - Win - Insomniac
CIII - Loss - Disguised Wolf
CIV - Win - Human
CV - Loss - Human
CVI - Win - Arctic Wolf
CVII - Lose - Seer/Servant/Human
CVIII - Host
CIX - N/A
CX - Win - Lvov
CXI - Win and MVP - Arsonist
CXII - Win and MVP - Espionage Wolf
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« Reply #279 on: December 28, 2017, 09:26:01 PM »

At this rate it's going to be really hard to stop miller-gaming
This. It isn't a complete breeze to get yourself confirmed anymore and we've done everything we can to stop it. Even if you manage to get a large alliance, like with what happened in Faraway City, it isn't just complete miller gaming. Even if it looks like it, I'll have to discuss how the alliance came about once the game ends though. But basically, it wasn't just every blue role PMing Red. If that ever happened in a game I would question the experience of the power roles.
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« Reply #280 on: December 28, 2017, 09:27:28 PM »

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Harrington - 61
Leia - 60
Lore - 60
Lusamine - 58
Penguin022 - 58
Futaba Sakura - 54
Nickito - 47
KitKatExtreme - 47
Saburo - 43
Everilyfel - 40
Flipfan Oofis - 39
Kangablue - 38
Natayla - 36
Rachel Amber - 36
JustHereForKCP - 32
Zetsubeau - 31
Panda-Chu - 30
AuroraLights - 30
Red - 29
!!Vinny927 - 29
Shuichi Saihara - 27
Kiefer - 27
Sent - 26
Ryuji - 26
trash - 23
Black Hole - 21
Ariana - 20
PixelHunter - 20
Bang - 19
Gigi Lee Lann - 17
The Spy - 16
border - 14
Toasty - 14
blankin - 13
HG - 13
Napstablook - 13
Green - 12
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Excalibur - 12
Chieko Tsukada - 12
RagemZuru - 11
cypher - 10
Dark-Knight - 10
Sheep guy - 10
memes - 9
magicmusic - 9
IchiRuki - 8
skylark89 - 7
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Lollipop - 6
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TheLionKing - 6
RoastedCopperGuy - 6
Gato - 5
JakeZ - 5
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Jules - 5
PeppermintLeaf - 5
Cyrus - 4
Red Velvet - 4
Lpcarver - 4
Morenatsu - 4
All Over Pink - 4
\_MegaDragonite_/ - 4
~LukaLoveblood~ - 4
Golden.Chocolate - 4
DeluxePizza - 3
AskJoe - 3
Hajime - 3
Rossome - 3
SaucyKing - 3
Vector - 3
Faith.xoxo - 2
The Perrin Sequence - 2
Watermelon - 2
Tangerine - 2
Rainbow Rocket - 2
CoolABlaster - 2
Crytongal - 2
AsadoCooperFan - 2
arachnidsGrip - 2
The Baconmaster - 2
humanbeing2000 - 1
Aleister Black - 1
ColinMedia6 - 1
susheriafan - 1
ElectricAngel - 1
1033Forest - 1
Choconilla - 1
Maximus198 - 1
Skye - 1
Park Jinyoung - 1
Momo-senpai - 1
DryShyGuy - 1
BloxxerofNoobs - 1
LaserLance - 1
Fliptropica - 1
datoofboiiii - 1
Choco~Loco - 1
Ixora - 1
Coopah - 1
flarp - 1
geniuskid11111 - 1
Mint Cherry - 1
iMint - 1
Zartaushat - 1
Chicha Lover - 1
gimmicks - 1
Gaster - 1
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Ace Trainer - 1
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« Reply #281 on: December 28, 2017, 09:28:23 PM »

the only way to stop miller-gaming is to ban either roleclaiming or PMs
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« Reply #282 on: December 28, 2017, 09:28:37 PM »

Times hosted (including 100)

Nickito - 14
Lenny - 13
Penguin022 - 10
Qazikol - 9
IllogicallyIllogical - 8
KitKatExtreme - 7
Leia - 5
Everilyfel - 5
Lusamine - 4
Harrington - 4
Natayla - 3
!!Vinny927 - 3
Kangablue - 2
magicmusic - 2
AuroraLights - 1
Futaba Sakura - 1
Sent - 1
Rachel Amber - 1
Sodium Chloride - 1
Black Hole - 1
Excalibur - 1
Lore - 1
The Spy - 1
Zetsubeau - 1
Bang - 1
This as well.

If it isn't a hassle, could you do players sorted by MVP amounts? If it would be difficult then don't since I am doing the game stats right now so I can do it as well.
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« Reply #283 on: December 28, 2017, 09:29:16 PM »

banning roleclaiming is stupid, banning PMs is more realistic but this meta isn't ready for that
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« Reply #284 on: December 28, 2017, 09:29:37 PM »

I didn't say the only good way
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