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« on: December 27, 2017, 10:18:55 PM »

I'm not sure if those in charge are aware, but there are several users who have suffered a lot due to the actions of other users, and are justifiably upset that those other users received minimal or no punishment. Therefore, I request that people who cause such harm with intentional actions must receive proper punishments.
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 09:01:36 AM »

I'm not sure, this could easily backfire
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 11:01:03 AM »

Here's the reasoning if anyone wants to ask

Shuichi Saihara [Dec 28 09:57 AM]:   Also, if the suggestion that anyone who affects someone's mental heath gets severely punished becomes a thing.... that would seriously backfire
Shuichi Saihara [Dec 28 09:57 AM]:   I think it was intended against ianiant because he caused users to panic
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2017, 06:03:12 PM »

Yes, this was suggested because of Ianiant, but also because it has happened with other users besides Ianiant. It is a problem that will only become more common the longer it's left unchecked. Besides that, as Ianiant has, in fact, caused significant mental harm to other users on multiple occasions, there should be some kind of consequence for him.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2017, 10:50:12 PM »

I would assume this would fall under the existing rules of don't be rude or harass others, and no bullying and fighting, since I have no idea what else would qualify as causing "mental harm" besides those.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 04:13:05 PM »

In that case, proper enforcement might be the solution?
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 04:30:09 PM »

In that case, proper enforcement might be the solution?
Ianiant caused "mental harm" to Perrin with the following statements:

"I learned how to use a gun when I was 11 years old."
"I am a monster."

Both statements caused Perrin to have anxiety attacks, despite clearly not having the intention. Therefore this suggested rule makes no sense. What if people repeatedly disagreeing with me causes me lasting, very significant mental harm? It is not unheard of to have some people react badly to even the mildest of criticism because their mindset just isn't set to deal with it.  Should people who disagree with me receive harsh bans?
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2017, 04:38:58 PM »

It should only count if it's intentional and abusive.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2017, 04:40:20 PM »

It should only count if it's intentional and abusive.
This, in which case it is, as Matt said, an existing rule in "Don't harass others."
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2017, 04:57:30 PM »

Yup, I think we're already enforcing it properly.

What if people repeatedly disagreeing with me causes me lasting, very significant mental harm?

That's the thing, people could say that someone disagreeing with them caused them mental harm, or just someone making an innocuous post in one their topics caused mental harm, where there's no real wrongdoing going on.  It's such a subjective thing, and really I'd advise that if you feel like the forum is causing you mental harm, then maybe you should take a break from the forum in general.
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